Do you have an evacuation plan?

[Divebum]

Just curious, but how extensively have you planned your SHTF plan? Do you city dwellers know how you are going to get out of Dodge? What if the roads are impassable? What are you taking? Do you know where you are going?

In Arizona it is all about the water and I sure don't want to be stuck in the city if that goes.

[Ram Rod]

Haven't thought about it extensively. I basically have only one direction to start out in to avoid going through an urban area. I could cut my own trail in the 4x4 if need be. National forest is pretty close though.

[Divebum]

Fortunately I live on the outskirts of the city and not far from the pass over the mountains, so if the city is burning I have a pretty good route. Figure I need at least two mountain ranges between me and the masses. Maybe it is time for a little recon, especially for water sources.

[Bumper]

I have to embarrassingly admit that I don't. Since the election, we are, however, playing "catch up" as quickly as we can. We live near the mountains and can get out of the urban areas fairly quickly either by paved road or 4WD roads. As long as I have gas in my truck, I'll get out, but fuel supplies could mean the difference between success and failure just like water supplies....

[raevan]

I can disappear into my swamp and make it to the mountains without needing to drive. I can also return the same way without being seen. I already have supplies readied for most type of emergencies. If we had a major flood and the town had to be evacuated, I live on the edge and the highway is up hill from my place. I am really not worried to much.

[Divebum]

It's times like these that make me wish I didn't live in the desert. I know I can make it out, the question is whether or not I can get my family out intact.

[Bumper]

It's times like these that make me wish I didn't live in the desert. I know I can make it out, the question is whether or not I can get my family out intact.

I hear ya, Divebum. If it comes to that we can travel in a convoy out of this place. I am going to head to the center of the country as soon as we can figure out how we can pull it off financially....

[Divebum]

CSBumper, Didn't notice you were in AZ. Where are you located?

[Bumper]

CSBumper, Didn't notice you were in AZ. Where are you located?

Northeast Mesa near Gilbert and Brown....

[Nelson Muntz]

The day after President Acorn was elected we decided to have Chinese for our consolation dinner.

My fortune cookie sounded appropriate enough:

"You will soon be spending much time outdoors.
In the mountains. Near water."

If it comes to that, that's pretty much what we'll do. But living so close to DC I doubt we will escape anything in the likes of an NBC type terrorist attack. I still remember the day that pieces of the pentagon drifted by my office window. The horrible smell. The loss of some friends. 5 hour drive attempting to escape the city in what should have been a 40 minute drive.

If we get the smackdown, I would probably be better off watching it come with a lawn chair on the roof and a case of my finest homebrew.

[FroMan]

Not to be smart or nothing, but if something big happens I'll walk 50 feet to the parsonage I live in and grab my guns and ammo.

It's pretty simple for me.

However, everyone else getting up here (family wise) would be a lot tougher.

Just come with both hands up in the air and the white flag a waving.

[Snakedriver]

In South Florida we're pretty much trapped on a peninsula with only two ways out by road. Whether it's SHTF or a hurricane, mass evacuation by road is a nightmare. Conventional wisdom says to stay and hunker down in our well stocked urban home, that's Plan A.

Plan B is much more complicated! After the election of the Big "O" I got REAL serious about finishing my B.O.B it's a complete battle / survival pack now with everything we need to hump it out of here if we need to. We'll go as far on the backroads as we can by vehicle and then we'll walk if we have to to get where we're going. We have friends and family in S. Alabama, Central Missouri and Central Texas. That's probably where we'll head as they'll probably be pretty safe.

My biggest concern is being shot in the back from 200+ yards by some numb-nut with a .30-06 who's in a panic and is willing to kill every living human being he sees.:pirate: Traveling at night seems to be a certainty.

My wife and our three dogs haven't bought into Plan B yet, so hopefully it won't ever come to that. She thinks I'm nuts, but it's better to have it and not need it, than it is to need it and not have it! Like a good Boy Scout, I'm always prepared. :vikings12:

[Bumper]

In South Florida we're pretty much trapped on a peninsula with only two ways out by road. Whether it's SHTF or a hurricane, mass evacuation by road is a nightmare. Conventional wisdom says to stay and hunker down in our well stocked urban home, that's Plan A.

If the SHTF, find a liberal (a liberal politician would be even better) with a big boat. Get to the marina first.... :wink:

[Snakedriver]

If the SHTF, find a liberal (a liberal politician would be even better) with a big boat. Get to the marina first.... :wink:

Actually, come to think of it that's a REALLY good idea. Texas is just across the gulf from here and the marina's are full of big-ass boats that only get used once or twice a year by their rich owners from up North. They probably wouldn't mind too much if we borrowed their boat for a little joy ride toward the West-Northwest. We'll bring it back, honest! :smi-rowboat:

[Paco]

I am playing catch up right now, I hate to admit. We don't live in the "city" so to speak, I am just as close to OK as I am downtown Dallas, so I can make it to the woods of OK in 45 minutes on a good day.

My Wife and I are working things out right now to stock up for a bunker down situation and I am planning on the bug out process.

[RIA45]

We should all put our heads together and figure out the best place to go, and how to get there.

[Patti]

We should all put our heads together and figure out the best place to go, and how to get there.

I sure wish I still had my farm. I had 2 stocked fishing ponds, a barn, 2 metal out buildings (heated with running water).

Everyone would have been welcome.

Alas, I sold the farm and moved to town.

I have family that live out in the country. They've offered us a place to stay if things get really bad.

Always make sure you have a couple of 5-gallon cans of gas in the garage.

Isn't it a shame that we have to be worrying about this?

It really pisses me off how our government has jacked up our country.

I'm more worried about the obama-bots than I am criminals.

These people have a deep-seated hatred for us:

http://theobamaforum.com/index.php?

[Nelson Muntz]

I'm more worried about the obama-bots than I am criminals.

These people have a deep-seated hatred for us:

http://theobamaforum.com/index.php?

Damn Patti. Thanks for the link! Now I wish you still had that farm too. I don't like what I read in that forum. Especially the section titled: Keeping an eye on our enemies

With the thread titled: List enemy license plates here http://theobamaforum.com/showthread.php?t=1819

FTT: "Ok, if you see a car with a bumper sticker or anything about freedom or liberty or hatred for taxes or one of those "nobamba" bumper stickers or anything that is against the government or Obama, do what you can to mark down the license plate number. Maybe the make and model of the car, I bet we might be able to get a statistical probability based on make and model to just go after all of a certain type of car. The government will have need for such a list pretty soon.

I saw one this morning so I'll start the list:

License Plate: IM1337 - Texas
Silver Cadillac Escalade
Infraction: Ron Paul 2008 bumper sticker and a little "don't tread on me" sign.
__________________
Things are going to change I can feel it. "

The ones following it weren't any better. And that's just one thread. I'm glad the bots are unarmed.
:hand44:

[RIA45]

are you f-ing kiding me? Can I use the F word on here? Because this is one of those times it's called for. I don't know a stronger word. I'm joining this forum. Bets on how long it will take me to get banned?

Edit: I decided not to join. I do not in any way want to be associated with these nut jobs.
Edit2: They have an ad on that site to stop paying child support.

[Snakedriver]

We should all put our heads together and figure out the best place to go, and how to get there.

We'll only survive if we can figure out a way to hang together. As individuals we don't stand a chance. I never thought I would live to see a time when we would be hearing the kind of talk that we hear these days. It's not just here at Conservative Stronghold, pick a site, it's wherever you go. People are fed up and mad as hell.

We survived Carter and we survived Clinton, and no one was happy about it, but I never heard any talk about open rebellion. It's hard to believe that it's come to this. Organization is going to be the key to our survival.


:usa:

[Patti]

It will turn into a race war. The obama-zombies will stop at nothing to protect their chosen one.

They don't want equality. They won't settle for anything less than supremecy. Their intent is to make the white man pay.

I urge everyone to watch your backs.... Keep your eyes and ears open.

When the SHTF, we'll know who our enemies are.

[Miggy]

I am in the same position as SnakeDriver. I have access to I-75, I-95, The Florida Turnpike and I-27 to go north. The problem is everybody else also will be taking the same route and head that way. It will take one moderate accident to transform whatever route into a parking lot. So, we get to stay until things slow down.

My backyard is a lake so I am set for water. Boiling and filtering should take all the crap out. Food is always being re-stocked for hurricane season and if S really HTF, I am sure there will be plenty of abandoned houses where I can do some shopping. My biggest concern however is prescription medications. How much is enough? I can lay my hands on 3 months but will that be enough?

[Snakedriver]

There are really two different SHTF scenerios possible (at this time) as I see it. One is where a worsening economic crisis forces the "have-nots" to come after the "have's" as a matter of survival. To a great extent that will break along racial lines as Patti states. A very ugly Mad Max sort of war will then ensue.

The second scenerio also seems very possible. As the Big "O" trys to placate the terrorists, dedicated to our anialation, who will see it only as a sign of weakness and will move against us. This will most likely come from the South where the border is porous and they will have easy access into the U.S. Last night's episode of "The Unit" depicted a very good example of what it will be like. In the show their little town was under attack by terrorists using clorine gas. The average people without training and preparation will go completely nuts and put not only their lives at stake, but everyone else's around them due to their irrational panic. A coordinated attack in multiple locations across the Country by the terrorists could lead to a "Jerico" scenerio in a heartbeat. In most cases, where possible, hunkering down in a secure location seems well advised. As in Jerico though, they only survived because they were able to band together for their mutual good and defense. :vikings17:

On a side note: The best line in last night's "Unit" show was when the Sgt. Major responded to one of his men's caution about the terrorist's prepartion for a counter-attack against them said " Oh, they may be ready for something, but there's no way they're ready for us". That's the way we ought to all resolve to be. :motz:

[Patti]

Snakedriver, I watched The Unit last night. Good show.

I remember a couple years ago Michael Chertoff (former head of DHS) recommended that people stock up supplies and get duct tape and plastic....to seal windows and doors.

The media made fun of him and actually joked about it.

Well, guess what. I went out and bought two packages of duct tape and lots of plastic.

I'm also stocking up on food, water, guns and ammo.

[Bumper]

I think if the SHTF that the best way to survive it would be on a small farm or piece of property well out in the country. Band together with family and your closest friends. Don't join large groups of people you don't know and trust.

Read this book: "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse"

[McKnight]

Having a cabin or hunting lodge on a small lake in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, or upstate New York would probably be the best option in spring, summer, and autumn.

But where should I go if the schmutz hits the fan in winter?

[Patti]

Costa Rica

[Nelson Muntz]

Costa Rica CR has no defense forces. They are protected by the US. But in the last two weeks they have been cozying up to Venezuala and Cuba.

[packinnova]

I have an evac plan just in case. I live 70+ miles from DC so even though I'm VERY rural, it's still plausible that I would be overrun in any ensuing chaos after a disaster/etc... I plan to try to weather any issues out if at all possible from home, but if evac becomes necessary I have a plan and have tested it numerous occasions. My evac plan avoids roads.. I live on a mountain ridge with a River at the bottom. The plan is to hike down on foot (regularly done activity) and bug out via electric propelled canoe to a particular break point and then bug out on foot from there only what I can carry in my ruck to an undisclosed/extremely remote location.

[OMEGA2669]

Unfortunately I do not have a plan in writing yet. It is an understood agreement between me and friends that in the event of a nuclear disaster or attack (assuming we survive the initial blast) that we pile any supplies in our homes into our 4WD's and head up to my buddy's cabin in the mountains, the area should offer sufficient cover from radiation and the water supply shouldn't be contaminated... of course it all depends on the weather of the day doesn't it. Oh, and assuming the radiation doesn't kill us before we get up there.

[ExSoldier]

I am in the same position as SnakeDriver. I have access to I-75, I-95, The Florida Turnpike and I-27 to go north. The problem is everybody else also will be taking the same route and head that way. It will take one moderate accident to transform whatever route into a parking lot. So, we get to stay until things slow down.

The problem won't be evacuation it's going to be eluding government quarantine. Should something massive occur here like a BIO-ATTACK or a CHEMICAL attack or even a nuclear event, the state and federal government is likely going to want to keep folks in this end of the state. To do that they have a natural channeling effect with the FL Everglades (and the Pythons -- just thought of that) so that it becomes very easy to create roadblocks by cutting the roads north and west. The Coast Guard will handle those foolish souls who jump into their boats. I'll also bet they leave the mega yachts alone, too. Money = Political clout.

But with a capable vehicle there are ways thru and around the choke points and even that is "iffy" to the point that all bets are off if it is the wet season. But you can do a map recon to ascertain routes out. But to back that up, an on-the-ground check is necessary to see what is required vehicle wise.

There is a wild card, too. Some of the tertiary roads run directly thru the Seminole Indian Reservation. They are almost always deserted but I wouldn't put it past some of the Indians to protect their lands in an emergency by dynamiting those routes. That's just how my mind works because that's what I'd do.

A crossover SUV or a huge beast ain't gonna cut this. None of your Honda CRVs, Giant Escalades or Suburbans are going to be capable of meeting this challenge and to get stuck in the glades under such conditions without knowing exactly what to do is a virtual death sentence. This kind of off road ability is going to require HUMMER capability or possibly a Toyota FJ Cruiser or a Jeep Wrangler 4x4 with a winch and snorkel. I think a Sportsmobile could do it as well.

We have a bug out plan that is north Florida and rural, but it is temporary at best based on the life span of my 86 year old in failing health father in law. I love the old guy and hope he lives forever, even if he sells that giant spread to move somewhere easier to care for. Nonetheless, we still have to get from South Florida to North Florida with two huge pups and a cat. Then there are equipment issues on what to pack for long term survival. The best scenario is to see it coming and bug out in ADVANCE without feeling under the gun with everybody else. Of course the optimum solution (not yet even on the distant horizon) is to retire and move to Idaho.

[farronwolf]

I am so glad that I don't live in a major population area. Small town Texas is just fine with me. Even though I live in a city, we do have a well that ususally is just used for watering the lawn, but in a pinch I would use it for drinking water, probalby after boiling it. We could retreat to deer camp if we had to, but more than likely would stay put unless things got really bad.

We have a generator in the motor home, and another portable one that will run a couple of fridges/freezers and portable a/c unit. Although I am not sure in a true SHTF scenario I would be much concerned with the a/c. I would save the gas for the well and transportation. Dry goods are probably the thing we are the least prepared on. One of these days I need to get around to looking at that seriously.

Two of the 4 vehicles are 4x4 and can pretty well get over any terrain in a several hundred mile radius if necessary. This is the one we would most likely be in.

http://64.119.72.98/family/77.jpg

The real problem comes if it gets so bad that we have to leave the home. I still need to do work on the road into deer camp to get the darn motor home back 1/4 mile or so into the property. With pole saws/chainsaws and such I can remedy that in a half of a day or so if I ever have to. We have a battery bank set up with inverters there already to run florescent lighting, we have propane stoves, lanterns, a shower setup, outhouse, and other things to make life somewhat bearable. I guess some day I should invest in a solar charger for the battery bank, as that would allow me to save gas on the generators for the real important things.

There are only about 4 people that have keys to the property. I would hope that they would not bring everyone they knew as they headed that way, and it would simply be them and their families. That is probably the biggest concern of mine, is the folks that would be headed there from the DFW area would be to generous to those around them and offer too many folks to tag along.

I certainly hope that it never gets to that point.

[Bumper]

It sounds like you could be prepared in fairly short order, farronwolf. I wish I were closer to where I would need to be to survive longterm. Arizona, I'm afraid, isn't it.....

[Bark'n]

I am in the process of developing an "informal network" of places to go.

In most instances I'll be staying put where we live. Very small rural community of about 3000 people in town and a large Amish community. Farming and cattle are the main resources, so staying put in a small area where I am well known by the locals (which are heavily armed country folk), with local food sources for meat, poultry and crops is the place to be. Also in an area where most natural disasters won't affect us. So during any type of civil unrest, we are going to hunker down in our home which is somewhat fortified. Our locals won't be allowing roaming gangs, or an influx of refugee's from the cities who failed to prepare themselves to come in and wreak havoc in our community. In other words... Outsiders are not welcome here! Anyone coming into our town will be watched very close to ensure they in fact have either family or a specific close friend they will be staying with.

However, should an evacuation be called for, I have made plans with close friends where my wife and I can "bug out" and relocate to with a safe place to wait out whatever forces the evacuation. I have place to go both near and far in whatever direction I may need to travel. Some places may only be 20 miles, some 60 miles away and then there are those which are considered long distance, 100 miles or more away.

I don't have specific routes planned for each destination, per say, however I have good maps of Missouri to include several county maps so I should be able to get all the remote routes on the fly as the situation or updated intel dictates. You have to remain flexible while on the move and having a 4x4 Toyota 4Runner helps keep me moving if traveling off the beaten path.

I also have reciprocity with those who have offered me sanctuary if we ever bug out, meaning if something forces my friends to have to bug out from their area, they are welcome to come to us.

I will say that I am not part of any formal survival network where there is a structured group of people with a hierarchy and people are recruited for specific skills sets and have specific jobs in the network. I don't have the time nor the inclination to be part of such a formal network.

My plans are more informal. However, those in my informal network are at least "like minded" as far as everyone has at least the desire and understanding the importance of being prepared for disaster or emergencies and have taken at least some steps to prepare on their own for such an event. Those in the network understand they are responsible for their own self sufficiency once they get to my location. They know they are going to have to bring as much as their own supplies as possible, bring their own weapons and preferably their own temporary shelter such as a tent, camper, vehicle large enough to sleep in etc. etc.

In other words, if you are gonna stay at my place, you must be able to bring something to the table and be reasonably self sufficient. The same goes for me if I am bugging out to their location.

Again, very few things will be of a nature which would likely force an evacuation from where I presently live. But a major one would be if I needed to avoid government mandated intrusion for a quarantine or similar type of martial law type deal where I'm wanting to avoid coming in contact with government officials who are coming to "take control" of whatever emergency is affecting my area.

[MOFarm]

Wow Bark'n...I love your thinking.

We have no formal plan. But my husband is a natural born Southern MO Rebel. He has been in this mode since he was born (?) or since he got out of the Army (?).

We are surrounded by a huge farm plus acreage that is not attached to this home place.

All of my kids have ''home sized'' 5th wheelers, and we have several wells around the place plus ponds. One cannot count on ponds tho, as in an emergency it's easier for the enemy to poison ponds than it is to get to the ground water. (not much, but...jes sayin').(hubs would have to figure out wood heat generators tho..bet he could).

We have been in a survival mode (for some reason)..and thus..for 25 years I buy 2 of everything when I use 1 I buy another next time I'm in for supplies. (from food to shoes).

We have seined and restocked our ponds with fish every so many years...to keep things fresh and clean and the supply eatable.

We have not had ''cattle'' and ''pigs'' for awhile, but we have ''cattle'' here, on our rented out pasture. In an emergency ''they'' are mine. The neighbor has offered to share his chickens (and I have a good chicken house)...if I give a steer.

We have several generators and have above ground fuel tanks, and fuel conditioner on the shelves. (that would only be good for awhile)...but we have several hundred acres of good Ozark Hardwood woods...for heating and building.

We have all our guns, and have a gun dealer in the family (local) who has managed to keep us in ammunition which is in those military boxes that keep it fresh.

We have lots of deer and turkey et al on the property.

We have 3 antique tractors with implements ... and all horse drawn and other old equipment has been dismantled for parts, and is in the proverbial ''junk pile'' and nuts and bolts in buckets. (typical Ozark farm)...that is why there are old junk cars/pickups in the yards...parts is parts.

If it was important I could iron with GGrandma's old cast iron ''irons''...and render lard in her old pots. And I have a cream separator and coffee/corn grinders...all from 2 and 3 generations ago...none of which is broken.
And someone laughed at me once for saving that JUNK.

I suppose the only thing we'd not have is prescription medicine.........for some reason we don't worry about that at the moment. I suppose we could steal it if push came to shove. (depending on if we could TRADE something we have for it). I always figure that city guy pharmacist who already spent a stint in the Fed Pen at Springfield, might need to eat in a pinch, and would share his underground sources.

You know the tongue in cheek attitude I used to have about this...is disappearing..and reality scares me.

We have already closed off the upstairs in our home...our downstairs is earth contact on back and part of sides......hubby had to dynamite to put this house in a bluff........

Bark'n we need an underground network, to supply each other with things the other doesn't have.

I remember hearing the old timers talking about the Underground back in the old days when they ran slaves up to Salem, then up to Rolla and then up to the northern destinations.........they were very successful.
Of course, they also told about when they had supper with Jesse James and the boys. I'm not sure if they were foolin' or tellin' the truth.

The Amish in our area do some fine canning of veggies, and I'd rather have what they prepare in glass jars than what I can buy in cans. I'll look into more of that this year.

Back in the about 1918 to about 1940..hubby's GGreats were the postmasters in some of the small communities...we have those big old ''safes'' in the old house up on the other side...I think I'll find someone to move them down here...for our papers and valuables.

Never poke a hoarder of antiques~~~you never know when you might need them.

(and they've been laughing at my antiques for 25 years)

I just re-read this: sounds almost silly. I'm a Valley Girl from the Bay Area~~submerged in the Ozarks for 40 years, and now I'm scrounging for survival supplies?...what??????:afraid:

[Bark'n]

Well, MOFarm... The wife and I have known ya for several years now, going back to the days of John Gibson's stint at MSNBC and as you well know since I'm the same age as your boys, I've always considered you to be my "online surrogate internet mom of like minded thinking!"

I always just "assumed" you and "The Truck Farmer" would be part of my "informal survival network" but never formally asked you. So, I'm asking now, in case the "S" ever does "HTF", I hope we'd be welcome to "hook up" with your gang as you and "The Truck Farmer" are always welcome up here with Spirit and myself if that day ever happens!

[MOFarm]

Well, MOFarm... The wife and I have known ya for several years now, going back to the days of John Gibson's stint at MSNBC and as you well know since I'm the same age as your boys, I've always considered you to be my "online surrogate internet mom of like minded thinking!"

I always just "assumed" you and "The Truck Farmer" would be part of my "informal survival network" but never formally asked you. So, I'm asking now, in case the "S" ever does "HTF", I hope we'd be welcome to "hook up" with your gang as you and "The Truck Farmer" are always welcome up here with Spirit and myself if that day ever happens!
Yup..you guys are a part of the family!
Thank you Bark'n. :ok:

[OMEGA2669]

Unfortunately I do not have a plan in writing yet. It is an understood agreement between me and friends that in the event of a nuclear disaster or attack (assuming we survive the initial blast) that we pile any supplies in our homes into our 4WD's and head up to my buddy's cabin in the mountains, the area should offer sufficient cover from radiation and the water supply shouldn't be contaminated... of course it all depends on the weather of the day doesn't it. Oh, and assuming the radiation doesn't kill us before we get up there.

Hahaha. Looks like I was drinking a little when I posted this. :rofl:

Must have been very concerned about nukes that day. But SHTF it is up to the cabin. Is a defensible area. Is a lake/reservoir. Would only be a temporary place to run off to though. Couldn't really survive up there very well in the winter without power. But it is better to be out of sight if something does go down. :yup:

[MOFarm]

Omega..love your humor.

Maybe we are ''over blown worry worts''?
I remember how scared I was as a child in 1953, in my ''duck and cover'' position in an earthquake proof school MADE OF GLASS.
We had Fire Drills and Bombing Raid Drills ... Fire Drills were so much fun...we got to stop studying and go outside. But those anti-commie drills just were so uncomfortable...on your knees - head down - hands on back of head........til the blood rushed to your head and you knew your bean would explode.......and your knees were killing you pressing into those waxed tile floors....UGH.
Here I go again~~~~~~~~.
This time I'm practicing to protect my life and limb from my own Gov't?:ugh:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I vaguely remember turning all the lights out when the sirens were blowing, and my Mom would hold onto me and take me in the closet and turn on the light cause I was afraid of the dark......we thought the ''Japs'' were coming.

(no offense meant re: titles of people~this is the way it was).

[Zapata]

If it hits the fan, 4 out of 5 of my neighbors are aware of the situation. I live in a circle. I will be staying protecting the home front.

Besides 4 million people trying to get out of town on 2 major routes doesn't sound good.

[OMEGA2669]

I totally get what you mean Zapata. Better just to hunker down.

MOFarm. Haha, duck and cover was and is actually one of the best ways to survive a bomb, nuclear or otherwise. Instead of standing/running trying to get somewhere you stay low under windows. That way when the shock wave sends derbies flying you aren't cut to shreds. Where the curious cats that stand up to look at the blast will be torn to shreds. That was the idea behind duck and cover, to save as many lives as possible.

[Bark'n]

I totally get what you mean Zapata. Better just to hunker down.

MOFarm. Haha, duck and cover was and is actually one of the best ways to survive a bomb, nuclear or otherwise. Instead of standing/running trying to get somewhere you stay low under windows. That way when the shock wave sends derbies flying you aren't cut to shreds. Where the curious cats that stand up to look at the blast will be torn to shreds. That was the idea behind duck and cover, to save as many lives as possible.

Ha Ha... Here I was thinking it was so you could kiss your ass goodbye. Silly me. :stooges:

[OMEGA2669]

Ha Ha... Here I was thinking it was so you could kiss your ass goodbye. Silly me. :stooges:

Well if the bomb fell on you... yeah you should do that. :rofl:

[MOFarm]

Roflol........

On the not so funny side, I'm less afraid sometimes of the possibility of what we used to fear so much...''the bomb''.

Tonight I watched KTVU in San Francisco on my DISH, as the police let the ''gathering storm'' breathe after a verdict:

Calif. Transit Officer Convicted in Death of Unarmed Black Man


Published July 08, 2010
| Associated Press
LOS ANGELES -- A white former transit officer was convicted of involuntary manslaughter Thursday in the shooting death of an unarmed black man on an Oakland train platform in a 2009 encounter that set off days of rioting in the city.
Prosecutors had wanted Johannes Mehserle convicted of murdering 22-year-old Oscar Grant, who was shot as he lay face-down.
Grant's mother, Wanda Johnson, stared at jurors and appeared upset then later denounced the verdict outside the courthouse.~now Oakland CA was hot tempered tonight, but I think they have calmed and are going to just yak in the streets all night.

Now this is what I fear the most and probably what we are apt to fight more: UNREST/RACISM...

I wonder if we'll end up needing to protect ourselves from each other before the Commies or the Terrorists get us?

People were this angry when the River, here, went Federal, and the local farmers were dragged from their riverside farms and paid a pittance. They have never forgotten...and mistrust those Gubberment guys...lots of Rednecks in my area, who have elephant memories and bear grudges that last forever.

Some Government guy came here once ''way back'' and told my husband that even if we owned the land the Government was in charge of old rocky MO Farms and we were going to have to terrace the pastures, to keep them from erosion. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...he left running holding his rump~~~~~missing both back pockets...or something like that. NO ONE comes on THIS PROPERTY and tells the old Farm Boy here HOW TO AND HOW HIGH...(this was one of my first experiences with ''the Ozarks'' and a ''resident'' that I had married and anyone tellin' him anything.) I was sure that I might have made a mistake staying in MO and not going home to Mama and Daddy ........ then I pretended he was John Wayne and I've made it for 35 years.

Survival is a ''big'' word........lots of survival going on these days. :wizard: Survival of the fittest.

Gotta go change the filters in the still~and it's raining.
Ah...life is good.:wave:

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:bal4l:<---what's that supposed to mean?

edit: I see what ^ is...roflol. Looks like my twin sons..nobody ever shared~!

[thanis]

Nephews asked me about this over the weekend. Told them the plan was simple. We all live within 3 miles from each other. Plan, get to their grand parent's house (my parents) because they live near a lake and have a brick fireplace. Take all usable supplies to grandparents (food, gas, ammo, generators, etc). Bunker down, and pick the right time to head to the family acerage (2 1/2 drive on a good day). Don't go with the rush, unless there is something like an invasion or some other immediate threat that requires movement.